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 AnMosshina

קישור 13.02.2017 14:05 
:נושא ההודעה In a last ditch attempt at defiance, the Spanish settlers freed and armed their slaves, who sought refuge in the island’s interior. כלל.
Пожалуйста, помогите перевести. In a last ditch attempt at defiance, the Spanish settlers freed and armed their slaves, who sought refuge in the island’s interior.

 crockodile

קישור 13.02.2017 14:12 
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?l1=1&l2=2&s=last-ditch attempt
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?a=3&&s=defiance&sc=105&l1=1&l2=2

и т.д. вроде всё в словаре есть. что именно вызвало затруднение?

 AnMosshina

קישור 13.02.2017 14:18 
сформулировать не получается

 Volinga

קישור 13.02.2017 14:35 
В последней отчаянной попытке демонстративной непокорности / неподчинения испанские поселенцы освободили и вооружили своих рабов, желавших укрыться в глубине острова

Ну, отредактируйте, причешите

 johnstephenson

קישור 13.02.2017 14:40 
crockodile +1

A 'last-ditch' attempt is a final, desperate attempt (to do/achieve sth) when all other options have failed.

'last ditch' probably refers to the last ditch/trench available to soldiers who are retreating in front of a military target they're trying to defend, eg a castle.

 johnstephenson

קישור 13.02.2017 14:51 

 Volinga

קישור 13.02.2017 15:00 
Автор, наверное, современный. Я ни разу не военнообязанная, но мне кажется, глубоко эшелонированная оборона с траншеями, благодаря которым возникло выражение "last ditch", не применялась во времена рабского труда. Рвы не в счет. траншеей они считаться не могут. Вырывались заблаговременно и для траншеи слишком глубокие.

 Wolverin

קישור 13.02.2017 15:05 
ну да, тогда было бы last-moat attempt :))

а так - он ров к траншее приравнял и бился до последнего.

 johnstephenson

קישור 13.02.2017 15:15 
Volinga: It's a set expression, and the picture (of the moat/outer ditch at Helmsley Castle) is for illustrative purposes only.

 trtrtr

קישור 13.02.2017 16:41 
A last ditch attempt is a last-minute attempt or an attempt to do something at the final opportunity to do so. This term has its origins in a speech by King William III of England in the late 17th Century. He called upon all Englishmen to "fight and die in the last ditch" to defend England.
http://www.grammar-monster.com/sayings_proverbs/last_ditch_attempt.htm

 trtrtr

קישור 13.02.2017 16:42 

 johnstephenson

קישור 13.02.2017 16:44 
Interesting.

 crockodile

קישור 13.02.2017 16:53 
В последней и отчаянной попытке сопротивления...

 johnstephenson

קישור 13.02.2017 18:05 
ОФФ: William III was also called William of Orange. The so-called Orange Order (Protestant extremist brotherhood) in Northern Ireland is named after him.

See 'Orange Order'/'Оранжевый орден' in Wikipedia or Google Images for more info if interested.

 johnstephenson

קישור 13.02.2017 18:33 

 johnstephenson

קישור 13.02.2017 22:47 

 wow2

קישור 14.02.2017 3:03 
johnstephenson,

apparently the direct links to the resizr.com are not durable: that web site must be serving the resized images for a limited time - then they probably remove those images (to recycle their storage?) and the links become obsolete.
you gotta capture the resized image and store it on another service (site) that would host it there "forever". there are plenty of services that do that. there are also services that would actually do both - take your picture, and provide durable links to a variety of downsized versions. e.g. piccy.info, tinypic.com, .....

 johnstephenson

קישור 14.02.2017 9:19 
Thanks wow2 -- very useful. Yes, resizr seems to be deleting the images after just a few hours, so is pretty useless. It used to keep them for several days. So in future I shall try one of the two sites you've mentioned.

I think most people have seen my 'defensive ditches' image now (and I'm fed up of re-posting it!) but I shall remember for the future. Thanks again.

 Монги

קישור 14.02.2017 9:31 
actually, I'd love to see those images....

 johnstephenson

קישור 14.02.2017 9:46 
Seriously?

 Монги

קישור 14.02.2017 9:48 
I'm dead serious

 johnstephenson

קישור 14.02.2017 11:23 
OK.

 trtrtr

קישור 14.02.2017 11:24 
johnstephenson made a last ditch effort and posted it again... :0)

 johnstephenson

קישור 14.02.2017 11:36 
Ho! Ho! Yes, but how long will it last...? I think people have got the idea re 'last-ditch' anyway, I won't post it again.

 Монги

קישור 14.02.2017 12:45 
Nice.

Thanks a bunch!

 Volinga

קישור 15.02.2017 10:30 
2 johnstephenson
Thanks! It' s really very interesting!

 johnstephenson

קישור 15.02.2017 12:48 
You're welcome!

 

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